The price of overthinking, the value of spontaneity, & how it all affects the caregiving journey

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, in the words of Heywood Nelson Dwayne on what's happening?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, hey, hey, and welcome to another episode of Beyond the Spectrum every age, every need.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you that are looking at this episode on YouTube, you can see Maurice trying to control his grin and laughter there at my salon's in 80.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're dead, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's right, you're like, what are they talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing, man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I think today's conversation is gonna be really interesting because a piece of what I saw you wouldn't talk about is I just got back from a trip to the Sequoia this past weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I lived in California for like 40 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always wanted to go, I've never gone in the last couple of years of being complaining like, I'm going to Sequoia as whether anybody wants to come from you or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And finally, I got to go this past weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was both amazing and a little disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But being out in nature for me is always a reset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always different from my soul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I love, uh, I love you so many.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, um, yeah, you'll send me to my spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not nothing such as you'll send me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anywhere in nature that touches you'll send me, you know, we debated between there and Sequoia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I want to go to Sequoia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Never been there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should've gotten you a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll find out about that, but welcome to another episode of Beyond The Spectrum every age every need.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I first heard about a support group, I was invited to be in one and I just thought, it actually wasn't called a support group, it was just a men's group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just figured it would be different men sitting around a campfire trying to measure masculinity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds figuratively.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't mean that figuratively.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I meant that literally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just not me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It works, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But masculinity is bigger than yours.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am grizzled.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that just wasn't my, but I had a great experience and I came to the realization that if men who are parents to neurotypical children or men in general need to be encouraged to

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[SPEAKER_02]: be themselves and define a place where they can seek emotional refuge and just get support.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And sure, Victories as well, that's probably twice as important for those of us who are parents or caregivers to those special needs or disabilities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we have the dent, but we're a little more crunch for time than we usually are, so we're going to just jump right into the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the topic that we're going to be talking about is the

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[SPEAKER_02]: long game versus the career change, so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's what we mean by that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you are faced with a diagnosis of special needs of some kind,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The first thing that you need is flexibility with regard to your job, because you need to be able to provide for your family, but depending on the level of support and the challenges that the disability may bring, you need to have flexibility with regard to doctors appointments, therapies, things of that nature.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then even once your children are in school, you've got to, somebody's got to be able to kind of move on the fly with things that may come up in school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The more recent I both happen to be blessed with professions and careers that consist of flexible schedules at the time that each of our sons was diagnosed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's something that we can still relate to because I know important that flexibility is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the other thing is, you know, we're going to be looking at is

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[SPEAKER_02]: The choice is that you make with regard to the long game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're in a career for 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Once you've done that, how do you maintain passionate excitement for that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially if it gives you the flexibility that you need.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a little more difficult for us to reinvent ourselves as parents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: who happened to be caregivers as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So while we start with, you were working in backing or real estate when Isaac was diagnosed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the kind of accommodators I was in mortgage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was on the whole south side of the mortgage industry when we got Isaac's diagnosis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, we had just moved from California to Washington State.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my wife had already had some evenings that something wasn't right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, renowned hospital up there in Portland, Oregon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did some testing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They came back and said that Isaac had autism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't know what that meant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was the beginning of an education.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually it was interesting for my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We again just sold our home in a beach community in California.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sale was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got up to Washington, I was working from the same bank that I had worked for in California.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got Isaac's diagnosis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had never finished my bachelor's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had had my associates, I had my bachelor's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a weird culmination of multiple things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Isaac's diagnosis, moving to a new state.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought to myself, I took a leave of absence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as we found out about his diagnosis for 90 days, and then with the 90 days was up, I'm not ready to go back to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I ended up not working by choice for about two and a half almost three years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was was available for therapies and all of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you know, enough, sadly or sadly enough, we're either way, is right when I was about ready to go back to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got my degree at a university up there

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right when I was ready to kind of jump back it to the mortgage industry was 2008-2009 as the mortgage industry was blown up And then we were having the whole financial meltdown and then it was like okay, we're ready to go back to work, but there's no work to go back to you I ended up making the pivot to technology sales, but it it costs some challenges I don't think I ever really knew that and here's what's interesting too so And we're gonna be talking about this because

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, with the new firm that I'm, you know, that we've launched and everything with in financial services, April is financial literacy months, and it's a financial literacy month, and April is also autism awareness month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, those two things go hand in hand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For you to be able to take that much time off to begin with, when you were making money, obviously you were doing a good job of saving and putting stuff away anyway, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where did you kind of get that front?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though we're not in financial literacy per se, but it's, I think it's so important to our community.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'll, I'll, I'll credit my wife with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never really been into labels and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have always loved cars, but I had a wife that was like, you don't need to spend that much money on a car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because honestly, if you had me for, I would have bought a Porsche, at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been a fan, but I took full advantage of the 401k and the matching and I tried to put his keep as much money out of my reach as possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've backed out everything for as far as company stock and all that stuff because I figured if I don't think it's not in my account, I can't spend it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that worked really well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The weird thing was, we sat with a financial planner probably a couple of years before I moved to Washington and the guy was like, wow, you

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[SPEAKER_00]: you look really good here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, by the time that the financial crisis was over, it was all gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My 401k was gone, everything was gone because it took me kind of multiple years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I went to three years without working when I was ready to go back to work in an all-blown up, had my new career and then getting back to my income level where I was, before I kind of took that leave of absence, took like five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it all got chewed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, wow, okay, now how did you where how did you pivot to technology sales I figured it was the I had always kind of I got a cell phone early I got a Palm pilot early I was I liked technology I could see the benefits of it and it was the market it just felt like it was the the space where I could make the most money and I had an affinity for technology so

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did it all school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started applying the normal way online, then I saw an opportunity or really wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to that office location, that the BP just had to catch it in the office and said, look, you need a higher being.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You did?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that though, not like that, I like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, because anything that's important to the general population is choices important to our community and that is in terms of being able to go out there and just, you know, make something happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So how long have you been in technology sales now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Since 2015.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well not yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2012, yeah, 2012 is the one company in there, yeah, 2012.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so 2012, and Isaac is now 22, 23, okay, where are you, so we're talking about the long game versus, you know, the midlife changer or pivot, because as I mentioned, there's

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[SPEAKER_02]: 20 years plus and the challenge of being invigorated by it when it still provides you the flexibility and income that you need because with him being 22 not having prospects for living on his own

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[SPEAKER_02]: You still need that flexibility.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you find after all these years of being in that work and field, I know you love it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you like it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever find that you have a curiosity about a pivot towards anything new that you ever wanted to pursue or anything like that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely, you know, I think even if you love a job after a while becomes very wrote, right, you say the same thing, you have the same conversation, you deal with the same documents or think the same holes or whatever it is you do, no matter what it is, I think at some point every time it comes wrote, it becomes quite a boring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I struggle with that, there are definitely even now I can, you know, I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm open to recruiters and I'm always, and I get reached out to very consistent and I like to just hear what's out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing has, peak my interest enough to make a transition, but I'm not, I am open to it and I don't know if this is irrelevant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but both my parents have all time with so I want to keep my brain working at all times because I'm kind of a- It's completely irrelevant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, afraid of that impact, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That hit me and, you know, what I think they say to avoid is keep the brain active, keep growing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is kind of a weird side issue that keeps me, you know, I've been working on do a legal Spanish for like since the COVID hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I want to keep my brain active learning because I don't want to go down to the same path or I want to post poll go down to the same path as my parents is long-spossible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes a difference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That does make a difference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for me personally, I've been in the same industry now for this September will make it 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't one that I chose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of chose me because I'm not this is much of a number of person that say I have to be or had to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And part of the reason was because I needed the flexibility.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when Elijah was born,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't notice anything that was wrong for several reasons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some that I'm certain of someone I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The one I'm not sure of is whether or not I was just too dense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because I quite frankly thought that, you know, if you picked as no as it was beautiful, just look at my boy, ah, you know, it was just, I couldn't see anything wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think personally because Laura had two daughters from a previous marriage and the fact that girls mature faster than boys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she was,

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[SPEAKER_02]: quicker to notice little milestones not quite happening the way they should and I won't get into

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[SPEAKER_02]: anything, trying to word this correctly because YouTube has some very specific guidelines to regard to the algorithm and having things put in one's body for protection in that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when it comes to when changes were, I didn't notice enough to say that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: those things make a change.

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[SPEAKER_02]: However,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that that was her observation and I'm not in a position to challenge it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But my point was that I was working for in mortgages as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As you would remember, I was working for countrywide homeowners who was the largest lender in the country at that time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my job was

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had been looking because I had kind of topped out in that department.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't find anything within to make a move in other departments or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And an opportunity came up with financial services and it was difficult.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was very attractive because I remember Laura telling me when we first started dating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's important for one parent to be able to be at home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's important.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But over my head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: sure it is who the lake is playing the night just wasn't not my thing at all but the first but if I had a shot at making some decent money and on on top of that

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[SPEAKER_02]: have control of my time and schedule once he was born and actually was before the diagnosis because the idea of him being in a daycare or somebody that we didn't know because we were both working corporate jobs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That freaked me out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, and I had a friend who had his daughter out of daycare.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We toured the daycare and everything and I was just like, I just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to find the opportunity to find answers or services.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really roll the dice, roll the dice, burn through a 401k, burn through all kinds of money in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Things got rather tight and scary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is just a really lean scary years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That effect I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, I didn't know what years were these, were the same times I saved years, I was lean and scary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he was born in, he was born in 06, and it was like from 06 to Man, like 2010 something like that and I was oblivious to I mean because I was in financial services and people were talking with crap the crash and all the kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was aware of it But I felt like Circumstances outside of the market and everything to do with my situation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that it was me because one I was trying to just

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[SPEAKER_02]: get a grip on what I thought I could control.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on top of that, I was just so scattered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm easily distracted in the visual.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've got to really lock in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am my greatest ally in my greatest enemy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's not much different from, that's the human experience altogether.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a, I was funny, I was talking to my dad the other day and he was telling me there's this thing called Jihad al-Nafs in Islam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It essentially translates to, like, the war of self, there's different types of nuffs, whether it comes to ego.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ego is one of several of them, and there's different levels.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the ego and the material is the highest, is the lowest, the simplest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's always a battle with self, and I was just going through it,

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[SPEAKER_02]: carry possessed like the man just some scary stuff you know pick up the kids from school come home and say a guy from the power company driving off from low pickup truck was like why is he a man walking lights a turn off

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good on there at at the window kid in your arm bargaining with the guy behind the counter about a payment arrangement and everything What does it take for him to get turn back on today?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like Chris rock and you know, I'm gonna get you suck away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want then to eyes the cases diner You wanted to use how much was it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Reads that he told him how much you think day up and he said they're caught in his coins Then he said how much was some soda?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He tells him the price of the soda.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There he goes Day up

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[SPEAKER_02]: How much for a sin?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The person that was so broke, they couldn't pay attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed to borrow money from them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an uncommon experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, I know, it was very close to that in those days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was crazy having come from

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[SPEAKER_00]: being really well off or they thought to be well off and a financial player to wow, you know, you guys were ahead of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, it was such a wild dynamic to be that strapped financial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a little little, little, little, whipped cream on top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My wife and I were both diagnosed with cancer within like three months of each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them very early stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at that time, yeah, and look at it, I did have a chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a job that wasn't paid well, but I had insurance thankfully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but you know, we had all these money challenges and cancer and a house full of kids that it was in the rough, rough, rough, yeah, yeah, I can relate to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why we sit and I look at each other, you know, we look at each other now and

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[SPEAKER_02]: But having the right person with you is just at, that's no joke, we can do a whole another show about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And no matter how much you love them and how much dare for you they are, because that's what a diagnosis does anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's how they're going to bring you together or repeat a part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it breaks your apart, I tend to think, this is my thought anyway, that if I wasn't for that, it was going to be, if it wasn't that, it would be something else, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They'd be some feather that, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: or straw that breaks the camel's back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you're able to look back on it as much as somebody may mean, because I remember what I felt when I saw her come walking down the aisle, I was just like, damn, dude, that's you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me!

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as great as that is and feels in everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That person is twice as beautiful when you come through, smell like crap because you've been through some crap and you get to the other side, smelling a little more like a rose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, your stuff is a little more secure about anybody kind of getting in between that and you're just, this is another like security of self and the person that you're with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to making those moves in terms of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: work in career and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not as easy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It never is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you mentioned that you would you'd be open to things as far as a pivot goes and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's good too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot more about you than you realize because as important as the need is for

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[SPEAKER_02]: the right to have if income and flexibility, you know, most people wouldn't hold it against you to say, nah, I'm not going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't mean to imply that you don't like your job, but if you were in a situation where you just hated it, but it gave you the flexibility and the money, you know, was there and you were committed to not leaving it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because of that, nobody would hold that against you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so for you to be,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that flexible in terms of your mindset as well too, that's a great thing actually because everything that we want, that which we want the most, is on the other side of our comfort zone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you're a parent and caregiver comfort zone is pretty sexy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it impacts other people that you know, people besides your self-absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't take another opportunity, let's say, again, I've been salesmen, I've been selling since I was eight years old, that's what I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they would have to be another sales role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have to have that same kind of flex and billing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have to have that same kind of likely income for me to make a contribution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind moving to a new product, but I am not going to risk the ability to provide for my family or driving it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still can't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's, you know, to be doing good under any circumstance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's take the caregiving aspect away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To be doing well by most people standards under any circumstance and be open to something else under any circumstance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That says a lot, you know, because at the same time, just as I said before,

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[SPEAKER_02]: being able to be in court on court and married to what you know and not necessarily open because it gives you what you need to be the best caregiver you can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, there's nothing wrong with that and nobody would hold that against you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Quite the same token.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost twice as important.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to be open to new things, whether it's opportunities, new foods, or a new route home or whatever, because if we're not growing where dying and the opportunity to grow in any way shape or form, makes one not only a better caregiver, but a better human being.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because then becomes a very thin line between being alive and living.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just think about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like when we would ask on just today as we used to ask the guest, you know, hey, give us one example that you really of a belief you once had, that you don't strongly, but now no longer believe to be true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And people, you know, like, oh, and I have an answer right off top of your head, then they're like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would always say there is no wrong answer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If your answer is that I used to like entries and now I don't advise versa, you're just not that deep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't make you a bad person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just haven't thought about much more than what's right in front of you, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not unlike most people because most people don't even think about what they think about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Most people don't even know like their thoughts, the physics of that automatic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Most people have the level of consciousness

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I must have to see it or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to just something in that of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it doesn't make you a bad person, but most of us just move on autopilot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't even know why we do what we do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, if it's important for anyone to have consciousness reason, man, it's ten times more important for us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if that takes place with regard to opportunity, for income, a new food, or any, no matter what it is, that's a great thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can go ahead and give yourself some credit for that, because I just think it's tremendous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he read my mind because I'm saying go ahead and do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We live here in Los Angeles, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't call this episode the tangent episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're tangents, but they're all connected.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We live here in Los Angeles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I live in the San Fernando Valley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To be able to do two biggest metropolitan areas of Los Angeles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a lot more L.A. than L.A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in general and the valley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a lot of people that live in the valley and never go to LA and vice versa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To stay the same with people who live in one part of the world and never visit the other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when people kind of operate that way, I always say that they have a backyard mentality, which is that they don't go past their backyard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like ever, they're not even curious about

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[SPEAKER_02]: taking a different route home, what a different food tastes like or anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think about it, if most of us think that that way, there's no wonder that we have more division than we do unity because nobody's even curious about the other person or any other thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get a bunch of kids and put them in a sandbox and there are a bunch of different races and nationalities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be bold and

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, ask questions of each other that we would never dare to ask, you know, it's like I said, you know, my wife is Mexican American when we first met and I met her the other several nephews, he touched my hand and he said, Sean, your hair feels like paper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was the most beautiful thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: is left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You see, obviously, I had never touched their book version before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had more of that would be all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those are the things I'm talking about when I said that we need to remain more childlike in this childish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ask more questions, make less statements.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the most fascinating things on the planet are children and older people, because some of them have been here, you've just gotten here, have so much to learn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and can at the same time teach you and convince you that they've actually been here before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they've been here for so long and seen so much, they have a lot to offer as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the converse of that is if they've been here for years and they've only held on to what they know, well then what they can give you is limited unless you want to learn what not to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's funny because I feel like I just never every day there's something new that I find that applies to the words that I always say, which is that anything that applies to the general population applies to ours, 10 times more so, it's always something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think of the most obvious things, which are like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, let's say, financial literacy, they need to be seen, they need to be heard to know that you're loved, experiencing joy, growth, uncertainty, all the human needs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But every time I turn around and think that I've seen all there is,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And no other is to know of the things that are important to our community, even more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's always something new that I learn and what I do is like, oh my gosh, I just I never thought of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the most obvious thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I always say that we had to pay property taxes for the space right under our nose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody be broke because that's the most valuable real estate on the planet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason that's true is because most of us aren't conscious, we're on autopilot again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not stopping to think, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost think the world is designed to keep us kind of dull.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one is, oh yeah, technology, yeah, people ignorance is a very process of profitable business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, so if I, you know, it's, you know, well, I don't want to open that can of worms, but there is a

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[SPEAKER_00]: societal dynamic, where if you keep the population stupid, they're very profitable for the very rich, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot, a lot of a million tangents we can touch on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that I'm very grateful for is, we had that thought about sending our kids to daycare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kindergarten, we had our homeschooling all of our kids

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[SPEAKER_00]: what I wanted for them, what we wanted for them, is for them to be free thinkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for them to pursue what interest did them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had a very kind of almost a hippie upbringing for our kids, our house was in all the books and chemical sets and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were just kind of let their inch, we would, I would fund their interest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'd go get books on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd get

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[SPEAKER_00]: art material as we get whatever and really let their interest drive their education.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we did the core stuff math and English and, you know, grammar and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've really, we have so many books pro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What else is a library, man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing I hated is, you know, we go to Barnes and Noble's and we, you know, I had my three daughters first and they're all, we call them book cobblers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can get a book and leave it like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I'd go to Barnes and Noble and I'd pay

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[SPEAKER_00]: 60 bucks for these books for the girls and the two days they're like done with them while like you've got to be kidding me So like I don't work got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to library.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't keep spending all the money on books These girls are done with it a day It became a family tradition go to bars and nobles anyway

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's okay because you got, I'm not resisting the urge to go down that one, which is just about change, you know, the fact that there's not that many Barnes and Nobles or, you know, books don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we got here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, books, books, stories, bookstores and magazine stories and record shops are like, those are, those are trying, you know, you know, I don't even remember our, our good friend,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carrie Knight, former neighbor used to ask me like, oh, what's the ingredients?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No meat by product, huh?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he would say that because I would read the album cover, and I wanted to know, who was responsible for everything on it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just an entire experience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Most today, you don't know anything about that because you don't just, nothing to read.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just the other music, you know what the artist doesn't that, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't, so you don't know who,

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[SPEAKER_02]: created.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't go on albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We all people used to get them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pull the album, skirt out, you would have the producer, the director.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lighter notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you call the lighter notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The light details around the creation of that music, not just the artist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I tell you about the photographer, the art director, everything because even when we went to CDs, see here we go in the tangent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even when we went

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the same, it's like, it's a micro, you know, it's just, it's not the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, as we were saying, the world is meant to and designed to keep us ignorant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's funny because we have more information on our fingertips now than ever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's good and bad because there's a lot of stuff out there that's just, because we want to go back to people not asking questions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: people will make more statements, so if you put something up, you know, about an individual that's famous or something like that, few people will even go, is that even real?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That seems, no, they just take it and run with it, because if you're seeking to learn then I think you look at things differently too, you're not as, because learning these are going to ask questions, you know, and not just, ah, did you hear about so and so?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it's funny when you go into your first having your diagnosis and everything depending on your child's age in the era in which the diagnosis occurs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you become very, very thorough in doing research to figure out how to combat and look up different things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we have even more of that at our fingertips now because a lot of these AI sites that the browsers have will get you some really good information in great detail, but yet I feel like we know less.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's too many of us or jacks of too many traits, you know, it's just too much information on too many subject matters, too much attention grabbing information out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to sound like old man now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just start doing a whole week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were outside until the street lights came on and you know, we weren't looking at other people's business and we didn't know, you know, what vacation the neighborhood out of the street went on now we do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless they told you, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and we need to see pictures of it and the meals they ate and all that crazy stuff that social media has done to our world now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's okay to say that, because you're not saying I wish we did away with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not about the technology itself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about the use of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've got these great, what can be weapons, not only just against boredom, but also weapons against division, and can be used as instead of a weapon for division, they can be used as a tool for unity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just depends on what somebody chooses to do with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of like when people say, I'm not worried about AI.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried about the people that are behind it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it really just, I guess it really depends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, much like winning everything else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of funny today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we're more all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for those that are viewing, I don't know if you know how we produce this show, how this is done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: we have topics and things that are important to us and we come up with them to very close to just before the showears because we have busy lives and we're using taking and we run with it and go and there's usually a tangent here or there but literally today, I feel like this is a wall to episode because we are all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not here with that, it does feel like that's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what was the theme that was long term versus what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The long term, the long term play versus the shift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that kind of goes to, where we're talking about the shift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you mean change?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because if you're talking about, it's almost like midlife parenting more than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because for most, you're a child, which is a certain age that level of independence increases and they move up for some of us, depending on

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[SPEAKER_02]: the diagnosis and the manner of which this ability is effect our child, you know, our children may be living with us for the rest of our lives and, you know, their lives.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_02]: whereas most people become, go from the parent who's first hand, they kind of take a little bit of a seat back and become the consultant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a last episode, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the same is true of, you know, or can be of our career, once you've been doing something for a handful of years,

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[SPEAKER_02]: do you, how do you maintain the excitement of what it is that you do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for me, this is where the tangent came me, because I was starting this earlier, and I don't know what people fell into my stream and turned me left from, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was saying, I began working in sales supported mortgages, found financial services, because I needed that flexibility

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've since found my way towards my passion with it as well because once I first learned the basics of it, I got to thinking, if families with neuro-typical children need to know how to plan for a time when those parents exist in memory only, people need to know how to make the most out of their money and how to work for them as opposed to just the way around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's twice as important for our community.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I had to really get over myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I spent at least five years saying to myself, man, if one person, just one person in this special needs community, questions, my intention, I don't know, I can handle it, I just don't know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't sharing what I did with our community.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to kind of get over myself to be able to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what I did was, I came to the realization

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[SPEAKER_02]: people who believe in different faiths.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are people who are atheist as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All those people will agree that Jesus had the best intentions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some will see him as a prophet, as Muslims do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some, as Christians do, will see him as a product of divine intervention.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, or immaculate conception.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they will all agree that his intentions were the best.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And despite his intentions, even for those that see him as other really, he was questioned to the point of death, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I am, but a mere mortal,

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[SPEAKER_02]: but despite being a mortal like everyone else, filled with the capacity to do great things and inspire people in great multitudes and numbers and effect lies with those that are not yet born.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But despite that, I am not

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[SPEAKER_02]: greater than this world's sort of speak, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not Jesus, y'know, y'all way or prophet Isa as he's known in Islam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So therefore, who am I to think that I'm simply going to share with people great information about how to plan for the future and not have somebody question it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only way to have no one question what you do is to do nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I eventually got over that and realized that if I put too much of my energy towards the worst that could happen, I'll have less energy to give to those who will say, oh my gosh, where have you been?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that still exists for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: along with the flexibility that I need for Elijah schedule and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't have the quote, unquote, burnout to worry about, because matter of fact, it made some changes on a pivot within the industry of late that has me very, very excited, which I'll be sharing, you know, the coming month, especially with it being financial literacy month, as well as autism awareness month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't have that, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that issue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if for someone that does, you know, I could say, wholeheartedly to explore that, which really makes you happy and looking for something that makes both a dollar and a difference, because those things going in the end, if you're able to do that and have some flexibility, there's a good chance that you could find something that fits up that alley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end of the day to really be truly honest with you, this isn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This literally just crossed my mind, this isn't an episode for a picture recruitment or anything like that, but if anybody does feel that way and they're open to something where they might be able to make both the dollar and difference, then a conversation may be worth having if they don't create or find something like that on their own because I think that where we're right now, provides a great opportunity to do something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, so, um, but you know, we have just a little less time than, uh, usual, um, I'm trying to think of what other aspects other, any other aspects of the stuff that we've been talking about that you want to, touch on or that might even be on your mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, um, I thought we were going to kind of touch on the joy thing that we talked about before the episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess there's not space for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll just make my little pinch out to our listeners is travel and many vacations, you know, getting getting space in time away from your normal surroundings is good for the body, the mind, and the soul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Sean was just on a trip and I did a weekend excursion out to the Sequoia's

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[SPEAKER_00]: finally went there and it was funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was really dealing with a lot of stress because you know, just the way work is sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could feel it in my body and then when I got back from that trip, all those feelings are gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and work hasn't changed as the same stuff, but how I respond to it and how it encouraged me has been changed profoundly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel so much better after two days in the forest

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[SPEAKER_00]: then that I have in weeks, so I just think if you have that opportunity to get out of your own environment for a little bit, maybe get out in space to the beach, to the forest, to the mountains, to the water, whatever your nature thing is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think it connects with our bodies in ways that we need and we don't really understand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It does, and in closing I'll say that the trip that Maurice is talking about is, so I'm originally from the U.S. Virgin Islands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had not been back to St. Thomas in 17 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never been away that long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The last time I was there was when my grandmother passed away, and I quite frankly was not ready to go back to an island where she did not exist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: physical, and it was easy for me to stay away because my dad made several trips out here, but my sister sent a text one day saying, hey, if I can figure out an Airbnb, do you think you guys can get down here to surprise Pops for his birthday?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And without thinking about it, we were like, well, you know, I'm not going to be able to

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and there's so many, I'm still trying to process all the things that came from the trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was his 83rd birthday, Elijah's 19, diagnosed with autism at three, never been on a plane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the first trip we take is one where he has to take not one, but two flights, including a three-hour layover, going and coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were only there for four days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was just one marathon, you know, after the other, don't know how I had the energy that I did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because I was running on love from the time we went out the door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be documenting and sharing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's several things to take away from, which is that we're masters of complication as human beings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because all I get everything before is like, if we end up on a plane for the Elijah, I'm going to be on the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it won't be good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was just so certain of that for years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was really concerned with how he would be during takeoff and landing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The exception of a couple stairs here and there because of his

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was fine and especially running on sleep deprivation on the way down there because it was the red eye that we took.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was saying just this people process grief when they lose a loved one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going through something now where I'm processing joy because of what I've gained versus loss.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's an amazing problem to have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a tremendous spiritual journey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So with that said, and I like I said, I'll be sharing it in coming episodes, because I think there's so much for everyone to get out of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But with that said, what I thank everyone within the sound of my voice for tuning in and joining us, Maurice, I want to thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just so grateful for this platform that we have again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that's change the world at beyond the spectrum podcast.com.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The website is beyond the spectrum podcast.com.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can find out the episodes there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there's anyone that you think we should be talking to, we'd love to hear about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'd love to hear from you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just remember, questions are more powerful than statements.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try and be more childlike and let's childish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just want to think the women in my life without whom I would be nothing and thanks to everyone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We love you so much.